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Ladies and gentlemen, according to the United States Air Force, in following a policy which

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is set probably fairly high in the Pentagon, there are about 250 or 300 extremely incompetent

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airline and military pilots in this country carrying passengers.

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They fly across the oceans and they seem to be quite safe.

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The airlines let them continue to fly even though they have reported UFOs.

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But in their UFO reports, or after they have made them, the Air Force has stated that they

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did not see what they thought they saw and in effect they are incompetent.

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The same thing applies to several hundred radar officers, radar men, plastic controllers

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and others who are responsible for bringing you in safely, particularly in bad weather,

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to the terminals and major airports.

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It also applies to missile trackers, rocket trackers and in general to competent, reliable

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citizens around the country.

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Now if you add them all up, you will find there are at least 100,000 people in this

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country embracing almost every trade and profession, besides all the military and all

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the flying personnel who simply cannot be trusted, their judgment cannot be trusted at

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least in regard to what they see in the sky.

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This is not an attack on the Air Force spokesman or the project spokesman.

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They are simply following orders to explain away all UFO sightings as quickly as possible

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when they become public and deny that UFOs really exist.

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Over a period of nine years, we have gathered about 8,000 reports of which at least 1,500

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dozen come from extremely competent witnesses.

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We have reports from pilots on every major airline, all the military forces, the tower

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operators I was mentioning, astronomers, scientists, engineers, a very good level of American citizens.

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Now these have been evaluated, these sightings have been evaluated by our staff, by scientists,

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engineers and their various fields.

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The majority conclusion is that these things are real and under intelligent control.

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In that group which has reached that conclusion, there is another group and that is the majority

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of that one which believes that these things must be extraterrestrial because they are

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so far superior to anything we have.

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They base this on absolutely tracked speeds by radar, visual tracking and combinations.

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Either all of these witnesses, every one of them, all of the thousands of witnesses here

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and abroad are absolutely wrong, honestly wrong, but they are wrong.

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They are unable to distinguish what they see in the sky.

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I am talking about pilots now.

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They cannot read radar scopes as well as they should.

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They can't track things with the Sun and the other lights or modern tracking devices.

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They make mistakes.

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All of them are wrong.

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Not one single man is right or else these things are real and there is secrecy and the

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fact you are being withheld.

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We have a report here that we prepared two years ago.

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It is about 200,000 words.

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It contains names, details and dates of sightings by all the people or many of the people I

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mentioned.

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You read that.

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I don't think you can come out of a complete reading of that without believing that it is

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probable.

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You may not be completely convinced, but you will not be a complete skeptic as incidentally

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well as when I started in on this years ago.

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As a result of this policy to explain away, you will read about a sighting and then almost

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instantly or within 24 hours you will read something like swamp gas.

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This case, the recent case up in Michigan was investigated rather briefly by the Air Force

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and the statement was released by Dr. J. Allen Heineck who is the number one Air Force investigator.

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He said that what these witnesses saw was swamp gas.

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They all have denied it because they were familiar with swamp gas.

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Since then we have made a preliminary investigation into the characteristics of swamp gas.

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It is not completed, but so far it doesn't seem possible that this could have been anything

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of the kind.

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It doesn't conform.

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There are also press reports that Dr. Heineck was pushed into making this statement publicly.

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He has since denied that he was pressured.

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However, there have been cases from my personal knowledge that I know that people spokesmen

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for the project are on the Air Force press desk and this was sometimes back said that

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they had to answer these cases if they could and sometimes it was embarrassing because

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they knew that the answers wouldn't stand up.

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In many cases they have had to retract them and go back to some other answers.

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Recently in the famous Exeter case up in New Hampshire and probably most of you are familiar

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with that, the Air Force did publish an answer and later retracted it.

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For those of you who may not be familiar, this was a report by two veteran policemen

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of Exeter New Hampshire and a teenager about 19 years old who first saw this device and

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went to the police.

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They went out to the scene and skeptically and when they got there they found exactly

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what he had described.

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A very large object having closed to the ground with lights flashing in sequence creating

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such a blinding glare that it lit up the ground for about 300 feet.

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It even caused animals in nearby buildings which couldn't see this object to get upset,

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horses kicking their stalls and wining and so on.

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We made this report public and it was picked up by John Fuller of Sederdy Review of Literature

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and later published in Look.

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Somehow that had more effect than any group of sightings that we put out in the last five

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years.

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Probably because of his prestige and the fact that he didn't have any edge to grind.

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He really went up there and taped interviews with all of the witnesses and came back and

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said there seems to be no doubt that this thing was there and it's real.

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The Air Force at first said that this was a mistake caused by low flying aircraft.

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Later they have put out this statement in an official letter but not in a release.

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Because of nightcap publicity, our first report, it was picked up by newscasters and program

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directors and magazines and widely publicized so they reexamined it.

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What they did, they went back to the police officers and queried them over again and the

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police officers were very much incensed by being called incompetent.

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They stated, well this was wrong.

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They were not low flying aircraft.

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This was definitely an unidentified flying object.

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The same thing happened in another case that very same night which is not so well known

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down in Texas.

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On the night of September 3rd two deputy sheriffs saw strange objects in the sky and they parked

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their cruiser with the lights on into the side of the highway to watch it.

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It came down toward them and when it was about 150 or 200 feet away the light was still bright

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and the object was so near they could feel heat from it.

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One of the sheriffs immediately started the car and they went down the highway at 110

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miles an hour.

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Now this is from the signed report that they gave to the Air Force and also to us.

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Then after a while they thought well maybe we better go back and take another look.

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So they went back, the object was there, it came toward them again and once more they

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went down the highway at over 100 miles an hour.

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Now these men aren't, they're not kids and they're men who are old enough to have had

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a lot of experience in handling criminals and all sorts of law work.

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But they were frightened, they were actually terrified and they didn't mind saying so.

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Now repeatedly there have been cases where these things have come close to observers

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on the ground.

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They've come close to automobiles.

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Several times they have come down in front and actually touched down on highways or else

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they've come very close to it.

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In several instances causing drivers to run off the road or go into the ditch.

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All of these things added up show that there has been within the last year a noticeable

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increase in very close approaches and touch landing.

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Not only here but abroad.

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Over in South Africa last year in the fall there was a touch landing in, I forgot the

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name of the town but at least it was down in South Africa and two constables saw this.

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Their headlights fell on the Al Digny and got a very good picture of it.

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As they got a little nearer they blasted the flame, discharged from the bottom of this

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thing and it rose very swiftly and disappeared.

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But where it had been, the blast of flame or the weight of the Al Digny both had broken

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through the pavement and scorched, left a very hot fire and scorched the area for some

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feet around.

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Now this is an official report and it was confirmed by one of the government officials

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in that area and it's still being investigated.

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I named these few cases or I described them to show you that in contrast to all of the

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ridicule to read about, I met a golden haired spaceman and talked with him by sign language

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and telepathy and he took me up to Venus, to Mars, to the moon and we had a wonderful

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time and all that and he told me they were here to save us from ourselves.

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We constantly fight to expose all these crack spots and to get the serious evidence on record.

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Now there is at present an increasing wave of sightings within the last 72 hours new

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reports have come in including one more from up near Ann Arbor, Michigan.

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Three witnesses in that case were included a research professor on a NASA space agency

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project, an electronic expert and an electrical engineer.

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He described this object as about 30 feet in diameter, six feet thick at the center

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and emitting a blinding red glow.

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Now this is somewhat similar to the Exeter case.

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There have been cases since then in Colorado, Maryland, Florida, down in the Gulf of Mexico

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where a Coast Guard crew is supposed to have seen an object.

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We're still checking that one and it looks as though there's going to be another flare

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up which may extend all around the country, not only here but abroad.

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Now I repeat all of these people are either deluded, self-deluded, some of them are frauds

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or they're simply, honestly mistaken.

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As we think in NYCAP and our Board of Governors has voted unanimously on this subject that

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it is time to end the secrecy, bring the material out in the open and if we're wrong that will

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end it and if they're wrong it's going to open up one of the greatest developments in

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I was talking with Representative Gerald Ford, the minority leader, after his statement to

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the press and on Face the Nation yesterday and he said, I see nothing but benefit from

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a full congressional investigation.

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If the Air Force is right this will strengthen them and it will end all of this controversy.

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If they're wrong it should be criticized, witnesses should be brought in.

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The whole thing should be openly investigated because people are, at least some people,

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are getting a little bit concerned about this.

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In some cases it's even worse than concern, it's actual fear.

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There have been a few cases where people have been so frightened they've actually fired

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at these objects which when they appeared near their cars or hovered close to the ground.

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In case any of you have not seen this, later on we will try to provide each of you with

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a copy of this called the UFO evidence which will show the names of pilots on all major

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airlines and many military officers and also the conclusions of scientists and others who

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have examined this evidence.

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We are now recommending that the government set up an instrumented network around the

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country which can track these objects so that they can be passed from one tracking station

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to another across the country.

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Their speeds, their courses and even the shapes can be identified and within a very short

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time you'd have a mass of accurate data which you could release to the public and also the

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scientists who could then go into the various aspects of this problem.

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One thing it would prove is that these machines or devices or whatever they are move at speeds

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far exceeding anything that we have, it can move in our atmosphere.

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They've been tracked up to 18,000 miles an hour at white sands moving in our atmosphere

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50 miles above the ground.

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Now an ordinary conventional machine moving at that speed at that height would certainly

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burn up.

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Furthermore no conventional machine could make such violent turns, climbs and descents

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as these things have been tracked and doing.

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The print lately has been of great value and great help to those who believe these things

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are real and that's a serious problem and has caused a general reversal among thousands

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and I believe hundreds of thousands of people.

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We have collected editorials from newspapers all around the country and in magazines from

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the Christian Science Monitor on the Saturday Review and others stating that this seems

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to be a serious problem, it is real and the government should be looking into it.

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As a result of this we are even getting hidden reports.

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People have been sitting on citing reports for years for fear of being ridiculed and

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now they are sending them in saying well it looks as though you don't have to be called

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a fool to say that you've seen one of these objects.

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Several aspects of UFO operations which can be handled by various members of our staff

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here, for instance radar cracking, electromagnetic interference and other aspects.

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Before I turn the meeting over to questions I would like to emphasize one thing.

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There are about 50 members of Congress already on record who have told us that they believe

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this is not a joke.

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It is, many of them have said they would support hearings if they were brought up.

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If this thing suddenly does come to the point of hearings you are going to see and you are

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going to hear some of the most amazing testimony from veteran pilots, people in the government,

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FBI agents, legislators, incidentally newsmen, editors and newscasters.

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Quite a number of them have reported seeing these things.

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Some of them come out in the open and some don't.

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I think you will eventually find that there is substantial evidence that we are being

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observed by some type of device which is ahead of us, far ahead of us and is probably controlled

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by a highly advanced superior civilization.

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Now this is a conclusion which I personally have stated and is shared by some members

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of our board of governors and advisors, not all of them.

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It has reached to the point where many people in the Air Force have the same conclusion.

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In fact the Air Force at one time had a top secret estimate that these things were interplanetary

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spaceships.

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This was confirmed to us by the head of the project at that time and also by the monitor

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of the Air Force project who is now on our board of governors.

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You will see that this instead of being a sub-diparidicule and a big joke actually is

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a serious matter which could affect the lives of all of us.

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Dr. Charles Olivier, president of the American Meteor Society, without taking any stand on

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the extraterrestrial nature of these objects, has said that there is no question that the

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information has been withheld and witnesses are ridiculed.

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The problem should be brought out into the open, examined scientifically and the public

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given the facts which have been hidden from them to this time.

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Now I would like to open this meeting for questions and I will try to answer some of

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them and turn others over to the people who are more qualified to answer them.

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Well I was told back in 1952 at a time when they were preparing to release their motion

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in cases that at first, at the very first, they feared perhaps the Russians had gotten

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ahead of us with the aid of captured German scientists.

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I very shortly realized that was impossible because Russia had hardly started to rebuild

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its factories.

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So the only alternative was that all these reports were wrong or else these things must

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be interplanetary.

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If so, such an admission might frighten people so it was decided best to go underwrap.

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The project was set up which was labeled secret and openly the reports were played down inside

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the project.

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They were considered very serious and as I say there was a majority conclusion that they

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were interplanetary.

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In 1953, early in 1953, the plan to tell the people what we had, not announce any conclusion

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but tell them that we did have evidence of extraterrestrial operation, that was canceled

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because there was a sudden outbreak of sightings and intelligence Colonel Hyup and the directorate

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said we would be in serious trouble announcing they were probably real without any idea of

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their purpose here.

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So it's been an often on movement within the Air Force.

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Some people in the Air Force believe that you should come out and tell everything you

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have, people should be told, since there's actually no evidence of any danger or hostility

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and others say don't tell anybody anything do we know more of the answers.

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It may be asking everyone to take an open mind and yet you seem to be precluding any chance

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of the Air Force convincing you that these are not real.

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Well we have studied of this but we ought to and the government ought to make it known

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to the public.

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They're not giving the Air Force a chance to say maybe they're not real.

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We have I think every Air Force statement going back to the opening of the project,

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way back in 1948.

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We've examined them and I have talked with a lot of Air Force officers, some of them

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on the project and some not and we've examined many cases which they explained and then later

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an explanation was found to be incorrect and one of the officers on the project admitted

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to me that they were supposed to explain these if they could and reduced the, in matter

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of fact their own regulations, reduced these unknowns to the minimum.

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Of course that's natural because you want to reduce them to the minimum and connect

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to a national defense.

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They say that they have reduced them to a minimum, that's what the Air Force told it.

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Now assuming that there was a congressional investigation, what short of a finding that

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flying the saucer is our will, what's that is fine?

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Not necessarily a finding, just a release of all the cases and all the information.

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You can go out to write Patterson Air Force Base as I think several newsmen here have

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done.

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I know Mr. Griffin's been out there at least four times.

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You do not get all the information.

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You get summaries of reports and some of them that they care to let you see but if you turned

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out everything including the opinion to the pilots and all the details, the cross triangulation,

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the radar confirmation and so on, then you could make an accurate analysis.

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At present all the information is not available.

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I don't think over one tenth of the information Air Force has is available.

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You're Mr. Hines aren't you?

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And it's a closed subject.

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The longer it goes on the harder it is to get this information.

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Now what do you suspect the Air Force has that you don't have in the way of information?

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They may have more knowledge of the propulsion system that we have and they may, it has been

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stated that they actually have some wreckage of one of these things in their hands.

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I've never been able to prove that and I don't think it's so but they do have a lot of detailed

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reports.

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Years ago as I say when I was seeing those, you could get a single sighting and it might

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have four or five very closely typed pages or teletypes, details what the pilots thought

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and the co-pilot or the crew aboard.

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Enough to show you the value.

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There's one over the Gulf of Mexico where every man on board a B-29 gave his opinion

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and the interrogating officer gave his reaction to what they said.

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It was the case over the Pacific where an object came off of close and there were some

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explosions in the sky near the plane and they're fighting some of the crew and they said so.

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But you don't get that kind of report anymore.

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What was it confused?

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What are you asking the Air Force to confirm your conclusions and what you already believe?

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No.

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No.

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The aircraft that ended the secrecy on sightings and stopped ridiculing witnesses, at least

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the competent witnesses, an airline captain.

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You take captain Killian of American Airlines about several years ago.

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His co-pilot, flight engineer and the crew of five other airlines in the general area

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saw three objects which were maneuvering and very in full expansion and appeared to be

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UFOs.

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The next morning they said that what he had seen was Orion through scattered clouds.

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That one of their crews had been out that night and seen exactly the same thing.

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Which, and Killian came back and said, well that is very odd because we were flying in

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such and such an altitude and the clouds were below us.

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We were over the clouds and we had an absolutely clear sky above.

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So about two weeks later they came out and found out that this was a refueling operation.

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Now you know very well out at NORAD, they can tell you instantly what's going on anywhere.

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Refueling operations on record and you can find out if not in seconds, within minutes.

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It could have been identified.

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It wouldn't have taken two weeks to do it.

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Captain Killian said, I am quite familiar with refueling.

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It was not refueling.

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The Air Force is simply going to cover this up.

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Shortly after that a spokesman told the New York Health Tribune that without mentioning

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Killian that quite often some of these UFO witnesses were so drunk they didn't know what

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happened the next morning.

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Well, that didn't go down very well with Killian even though they didn't aim it directly at

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him and he started making a big fuss about it.

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Captain Congressman Friedle here in Washington was about to invite him down for hearings,

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bang the lid right down.

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He was ordered to keep still and he has never opened his mouth since then about that case.

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He didn't spend himself.

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This is a worldwide phenomenon, isn't it?

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Aren't there places where the investigative court is not up to the thumb of the U.S. Air

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Force where you might be able to get some information, say Canada, say Red China?

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I don't care.

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Yes.

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The Air Force doesn't control all outlets of information throughout the world, so what

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do these other people say?

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Well, the Argentine government through their Navy Ministry has sent us official reports

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stating they have said they're quite concerned over the problem and they have citing by their

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pilots which have never been explained.

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The Brazilian Air Force at one time was doing the same thing, didn't send official reports

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just that they made open statements that they thought was very serious and asked all nations

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to join in a nationwide investigation to pool their information.

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The English, the British for a while had everything open and all of a sudden the lid

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went down.

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They were very polite about it but they won't release any sightings now.

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If these are extraterrestrial, why is it unbelievable that little green men would jump out?

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I don't know why it only deteriorates into little green men.

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Of course, we don't have any idea what beings from some other planet would look like.

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Some scientists say they could be smaller, could be bigger, they could look entirely

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different or by the law of averages they might be some that would look like us.

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That green men idea has been so firmly implanted that anytime people talk about space beings

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they always turn out to be little green people.

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But the idea of beings emerging is not at all impossible.

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I don't say it hasn't happened.

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All I know is that all of these silly reports that we've investigated have turned out either

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to be delusions or frauds.

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I mean, there's many of those.

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What kind of a tracking system do you propose and buy whom and in terms of what kind of

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dollars and so forth?

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Well years ago the Air Force set up what they call the grid camera system which was supposed

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to be distributed to various Air Force bases.

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The idea was to see whether they could break up the light, the glow from them and analyze

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it.

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The grids fell off of the cameras and the thing was a complete flop.

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Al Chapoom, you may remember as the Air Force intelligence or information officer at the

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time, he said, please don't ask you about that.

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It's too embarrassing.

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It turned out that they weren't any good at all and they never picked up anything.

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If the recommendations back in 53 of a group which did go into that had been followed,

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there would have been a nationwide tracking system.

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It was turned down because of lack of funds.

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But it could be done and it could even be worked in probably at least in part, the

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MoonWatch team and so on.

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If you got a UFO and you picked it up and you could instantly buzz another station in

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the state somewhere or other and say it's heading in your direction, they picked it

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up, you'd get a track and you'd get speed and you'd get height, find a radar, you'd

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get that too.

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And you'd have enough data sooner or later if you'd have absolute speeds and you'd be

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able to determine shapes and so on.

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Then to be composed of systems of cameras and radar, interlocking and intercommunicating

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and so forth.

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That's right.

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Thank you.

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You've got the dark fences, bay dam and bay darts and the Cambridge Astrophysical Network

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and God knows what else.

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Why would it be necessary to spend millions and millions of dollars more to set up a special

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purpose network to track UFOs when all you've needed, if your argument has any merit, is

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an executive order from the Pentagon telling people to use the equipment they already have?

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Well, if they did that, that probably would be fine.

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But they deny emphatically that they've ever picked up anything of the kind, although we've

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had individual reports that they have picked up objects from.

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But if they could use it, then we wouldn't have to.

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I'm assuming that this is going to take some agency outside of the military.

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Justice, is it also going to take some kind of exotic equipment?

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Oh, no.

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No, no.

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I don't think so.

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It could be equipment that's already in existence.

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And I think we could utilize a great deal.

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If the military, the point of it is it's pretty hard for the Air Force to divide, they say,

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to divide UFOs from national defense.

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They said there's always a problem that maybe a UFO might be a trick at Russian craft sometime

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or a probe.

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But actually, there's only a few cases where there's any question about that.

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I mean, these speeds and maneuvers show it.